Petition title: The Leaders of Atheist, Skeptical and Secular Groups: Support Feminism and Diversity in the Secular Community
To:Yes, we should have organizations that don't ban Salman Rushdie, Sanal Edamaruku, Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
Dan Barker and Annie Laurie Gaylor, Co-presidents, Freedom from Religion Foundation
Ronald Lindsay, President, Center for Inquiry
Rebecca Hale, President, American Humanist Association
David Silverman, President, American Atheists
David Niose, President, Secular Coalition for America
August Brunsman, Executive Director, Secular Student Alliance
D.J. Grothe, President, James Randi Educational Foundation
Elisabeth Cornwell, Executive Director, Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science
Oh wait, Adam Lee, you're the person that doesn't like Ayaan...
Funny how Michael Shermer's SKEPTIC magazine has a section dedicated just for youth.
Why does Adam not think about that?
Adam doesn't like Michael Shermer, and more importantly the signatories of the petition believe that section was for adults.
"We support strong, sensible anti-harassment policies at our gatherings." -> But not in public life in general?
"and that this can be done through the implementation of fairly simple and well-tested conduct policies." -> such as? 'NO ALCOHOL'? 'NO TOUCHING'?
"We want to encourage robust debate over opinions and beliefs" - how does that happen if the opinions are against policy?
"Unless they change their ways and make amends, they have no place within the movement." -> Please, kick out the people I don't like! Please oh please!
"we need to change the culture of the atheist movement so that sexism isn't condoned or defended, just as racism and homophobia aren't condoned or defended." -> In this sentence, it is admitted the petition isn't about ethnic diversity or ageism at all, but rather almost completely about what they believe are sexist insults.Sincerely,
What was the working title of this petition? "GOD, PROTECT US FROM THUNDERFOOT"?
Here are some who have signed the petition:
EllenBeth Wachs LAKELAND, FL
As the President of a Humanist organization and a feminist that has been on the receiving end of a sustained campaign of vicious harassment simply because I had the audacity to speak up, it is imperative that we stand as a community against this behavior.EBW - great when she's directing her cannons at the local county sheriff, not great when she's playing the victim against everybody within the community.
Ophelia Benson SEATTLE, WA
Because I consider myself a longstanding member of the community of atheists, skeptics and nonbelievers, and I want to be able to continue so to consider myself. Because I don't want to see any more women driven away. Because I'm one of the targets of bullying, harassment and threats, and I do not enjoy it, and I know the other targets do not enjoy it either.Ophelia Benson is on board with anything that might take Shermer out.
Ian Cromwell VANCOUVER, CANADA
The idea that atheism specifically must not make the changes and accommodations of underrepresented groups that EVERY OTHER COMMUNITY IN THE WORLD is making is, frankly, ridiculous. The only people who would be opposed to making improvements are people who believe that this community is perfect (i.e., people who have a 'just friends' relationship with reality)
What is "EVERY OTHER COMMUNITY IN THE WORLD"? Hmmm? What changes are being made? Are tech conventions now full of women? Is the NRA full of black people? Is NOW going to be run by males? Are the Fortune 500 CEOs all women now?
Ronja Addams-Moring HELSINKI, FINLAND
I am an atheist woman, I have two atheist daughters, one of our closest relatives is an atheist lesbian, and our family + a large part of the extended family are language minority atheists. This is directly about us: are we a part of this community or not?Obviously not. You're from Finland. Finns don't have souls.
Ed Brayton BELDING, MI
I support this petition because the entire atheist/secular community needs to stand up and condemn these vile attacks on those trying to bring attention to a real problem. There is a serious conversation to be had on how to best increase diversity in our communities, but that conversation cannot take place with those who scream "witch hunt" and "atheist cult" and "you all just hate men" and other hyperbolic nonsense at those who are trying to affect change. Still less can it be had with those who deride those women who have rightly spoken out on this issue as "bitches" or "professional victims." And it certainly can't be had by those who think the right response is to publish the addresses of those women, or who send rape and death threats to them. It's time that we all took a strong stand against such behavior in our communities.
"I'm Ed Brayton. I own FreeThoughtBlogs, and I support this message."
Then " And it certainly can't be had by those who think the right response is to publish the addresses of those women, or who send rape and death threats to them. It's time that we all took a strong stand against such behavior in our communities."
Yes, this is about taking a stand against rape threats. Tell me again, just who is pro-rape?
Sasha Pixlee OAKLAND, CA
Anti-feminism and anti-diversity movements are about hate. Aside from the strong correlation between religiosity and these opinions, any movements or organization *must* repudiate hate in order to have any moral authority or validity.
"What do we hate?" "Hatred!" "Who do we hate? "Thunderf00t!"
Paul Durrant NORWICH, UNITED KINGDOM
Because I want it to be clear that Thunderf00t doesn't speak for me.
Yeah, let's organize ourselves around the idea that some guy on YouTube doesn't speak for a particular Mr Durrant in Norwich.
Jonathan McDowell SOMERVILLE, MA
The secular community should be LEADING the effort to ending sexual harrassment in our society, instead we are behind the curve and we need to fix that right away
Jonathan, just a compass check here - is being asked for coffee sexual harassment? Thanks.
Beth Copenhaver JOHNS CREEK, GA
My interest and enthusiasm for participating in the skeptics and atheist communities has been chilled by the blatant sexism and ongoing attacks against women in these organizations. It is hard for me to understand how this has continued for so long.
Oh yes, oh my, when will the arranged marriages, dowries, and rapes in the secular community end?
Brian Murtagh SUMMERVILLE, SC
It is frankly absurd that this even needs to be said but plainly it does; we white heterosexual males are not the totality of the atheist movement, we aren't even an especially important part of it. We are all in this together, and any person or portion that privileges a part of our movement over the whole does us all a disservice.
Wait, does this mean I can't wear my white hood to the next atheist meetup? I was so looking forward to that.
Who is the white knight in shining armour behind this?
@DaylightAtheism 11 Jan
@LadyAlissa All I'm really asking is for us all to treat others with basic courtesy and respect. If that makes enemies for me, so be it.Don't worry, madam! Adam Lee will protect you from the racist misogynists!