Thursday, December 27, 2012

How inclusive is AtheismPlus?

Turns out a big no-no on the AtheismPlus subreddit is using 'ableist' language, as described here -

In this subreddit where you can't say 'retard', they seem to miss the fact that their subreddit exists to moderate many people with mental/psychological issues out of the discussion.

The alternative would be to suggest their racist, misogynistic and homophobic opponents are generally coming from a well reasoned source.

AtheismPlus: if you're bright enough to agree with us and be ever so polite about it, you have a future with us.

Here is an example of an article that was popular on A+:

We would be the natural allies of MRAs, if MRAs were sincerely committed to the causes with which they claim to be chiefly concerned. But no, today's MRAs—unlike the 1970s movement that earnestly sought to free men, alongside women, from the constraints of gender stereotypes, or the 1980s branch that involved a lot of drum circles and crap poetry—are chiefly concerned with one thing, and one thing only: Putting feminists in their place. Which is in the kitchen at best and in the ground at worst, if you ask these unapologetically misogynistic bags of rot.

The whole thing is funny, as many in MRAs would say the exact the same sorts of things about feminist groups today.

The article continues to focus on "MRAs" as a group of people trolling blog comments, making rape threats, writing academic papers on bizarre subjects or attempting to tear up existing sex crimes or dissolve family law.

Essentially MRAs, in the eyes of Atheism Plus, are some sort of male version of Andrea Dworkin or Lorena Bobbitt.

What you will find on Atheism Plus:

"Here is another 'nice guy' that feels entitled to a relationship. Male privilege!"

What you won't find on Atheism Plus:

"Why does Chris Brown have so many female twitter followers?"

"What is the deal with Hope Solo?"

Here is the prediction - Dialogue will continue to focus on depressed, socially isolated, perhaps straight up crazy males.


Because they are the ones that create unsafe environments. These people are indeed the enemy of all.

A+ is grounded on the idea that these people will be excluded and a 'safe' environment will remain.

It can and does work, but A+ goes well beyond simple precautions.

Since every single anonymous male on the internet is intimidating, they can be assumed to be threats.

The only way the threat is dialed down is if they say something agreeable about female perspectives, and say it quickly. Dissent can not be reasoned through, as these males simply escalate to violence if their will is not done. Media coverage of every mass shooting solidifies this idea.

Lay down the hammer of moderation, err on the side of exclusion, and things are now SAFE. Except you've guaranteed the isolation of the people you are concerned about.

So there you have it. They stood up to exclude the madness, and they ended up excluding the males.

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